Hi,
I thought I should start a topic on time travel but not how to do it, visual methods, causes, moral etc. I thought we should make a topic based on theories (i.e Einstein's theory on relativity) and ideas on how it is possible and how it could be achieved scientifically .
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Thank you.

hmmm
well if it were me i would make a wormhole. you know then you'd be able to travel through time AND space.
knock out two birds with one stone. if you ask me teleportation and time travel are related. so if you can
do one of the two i think it'd be easier to do the second one. the only hard thing about this is that well
no one has every created a wormhole. someone should research it.


i would try doing something like this in the astral plane though

hey umm just wondering,
how do you make your little sinnorf thing at the bottom?
i know you put like something around it.



found it!

Well there is a theory that if a whitehole and blackhole combine it will create a worm hole, but that is one theory of the very many.
Here is a wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole.

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive ... Tdraft.pdf

This site has a pretty good theory on the stuff.

The main site is http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/

i have another idea of time travel its quite strange but you sort of trap yourself in a timeless realm say a void a place where nothing exists you stay there for say 10 minuets and poof you could be 10, 100, 10,000, 1,000,000 years in to the future its quite strange and i don't know quite how to do one yet should look it up sometime if i can really think i can find something on it its a bit of a long shot. this is just one of my theories ill try to find some of the scientific stuff later if i can get round to it.

-Dawkins

hmmm well first of all i think people should build a tunnel. then like try and make it to where its like a vacuum and sucks you in.
i dont know it'd be really complicated.


^ thats so cool!

oh and i dont quite understand your theory.
are you talking about like an alternate dimension?

yea sort of like a im not sure how to explain it umm like a place where there is no time you trap yourself away from the universe from sort of like an alternate dimension a 'void' best describes it imagine a place where you could go and there is nothing for infinity and you could stay there for however long you wanted because the 'void' has no concept of time in it yet the outside where there is time would move at a pace stupidly faster than where you are so in theory you could stay in this 'void' where there is nothingness and wait for say 10 minuets (i know theres no time just say thats how long you waited) you could be several hundred years into the future =p =]

that help?

-Dawkins

oh ok i thought so i just wanted to make sure i was on the right track

That's a good theory but how can someone enter the place your talking about also with the lack of a scientific explanation on how to access it and how it may even exist, and if time doesn't take toll there what would happen when you arrive back here how do you know how long you have stayed in that timeless realm?

yea as i said im a bit vague on the details

Before attempting time travel one should first become familliar with it afterwards they should try to change there preception of time, from there attempt to manipulate time itself while still remaining in natural order here is my model.

1) Know the aspects of time learn about it
2) Control your perception of time i.e make time seem slower or faster to you and you only this is quite easier than making someone else feel like time is slower or faster
3)Then move to other peoples perception of time try making time seem faster to you but slower to them i.e you notice its only been 5 seconds but to them it feels like a minute has gone by. This however would require a partner to practice on.
4) From there once you can comfortably do both then work on manipulating the physical aspect of time (as previously you have only be working with the mental aspect of time -perception-) obtain an analog clock one with a second hand then focus on either slowing advancing or completely stoping the second hand try to do this for only a second at a time. While doing this have someone else record
A)The normal intervals the clock proceeds at and then...
B)The intervals at which the clock moved while you were attempting to control time.
Not that A must be done before B to obtain accurate results.
Once you have gottten the hang of the seconds if you do you can attempt minutes or move onto a more difficult training level which would be a digital clock with miliseconds. This exercise requires more control and concentration as miliseconds move faster than seconds. Your goal in this exercise is to focus on moving the miliseconds backwards or stoping them, although you can try to advance them, which should prove easier than slowing or stoping them.

A training exercise Ive used is to close your eyes and visualize a giant grid the starting grid is normal times (Hour:Minute:Second) but as you move outwards toward the grid (faster time) or inwards toward the grid(slower time) it will change here is an example

Time Moving Outward
Basic Time (Grid 1): H:M:S
Grid 2: SH:H:M:S (SH represents Super Hour)
Grid 3: BSH:SH:H:M:S (BSH represents Before Super Hour)
and the pattern goes on.
60 seconds=1 minute
60 minutes=1 hour
1 Hours=60 Super Hours
1 Super Hours= 60 Before Super Hour
Now looking at this model it might seem that experiencing a Super Hour would make it seem like days have gone by slower but actually its going by faster while experiencing an hour 60 super hours have gone by, so a super hour is basically another way of saying 2 and a half days. So what would feel like an hour in Super hour time would be 2 and a half days so you can use super hours to make 2 and a half days seem like only a hour. (Confusing yes but you will understand after a bit)

Time Moving Inward
Basic Time (Grid 1): H:M:S
Grid 0: H:M:S:MS (Milliseconds)
Grid 01: H:M:S:MS:PMS (PMS represens post milliseconds)
and the pattern goes on.
1 hour = 60 minutes
1 minute= 60 seconds
1 seconds=60 milliseconds(I believe)
1 millisecond= 60 post milliseconds
Now when you look at a digital watch that shows miliseconds you can see how long it takes for a second to go by, but what happens when you see the time that it takes for a millisecond to go by, and the time it takes for that to go by? You begin to observe how slow time moves. By breaking the second time scale down into smaller parts time becomes slower because you are aware of the smaller components... now count these off in your head...1pms...2pms..3pms..(no pun intended) when you continue to do this over and over again time will continue to go slower and slower.

With enough practice you will be able to manipulate the mental and physical aspects (dnt expect comic book time manipulation instantly).
Eventually you will be able to maniuplate the time around you on a larger scale, but remember when time is slowed or advanced things still happen they just happen at a slower or faster rate when time is reversed things are undone so in theory, but my belief actuallity reversing time to far back would undo youself, but traveling to a different point in time would not due to the fact time was not reversed this would be the space part of Time Travel so in the end time travel is dependent on not only time movement but space movement simultaneously.

I don't actually believe going back in time is possible (well it may be possible but you may go to a mirrored alternate dimension) because you are undoing time which would change history but if it is possible why are there no accounts of it ever happening (apart from a couple of stories, youtube videos, from mouth etc that make no sense at all) and if it may happen some day what we are doing now would be undone and what ever has changed in the past may get rid of anyones existence.
Another point is that if you go back in time to change a mistake you made the future will be very different than before so what has happened within that time skip has two different possibilities towards the present time (that is what the present time it is to the time traveler) so those are two dimensions one is the real world and the other is the world you used to live in and as your in an alternate dimension the people in that dimension will never see you again.
Oh my God I find it so hard to think of a theory that makes sense
I am sorry if you don't understand this I find it very hard to explain.
I am going to have a long think and check as many theories I can .

A) No one has done time travel yet
B) Someone has but not using a time machine
C)There is no future because time is constantly progressing which means we make the future by acting in the present
D) Going into the past however would then make the present we left The technical future

E) Just cause no one has came back into the past and said "Hey I traveled time" dosent mean its not possible and how do we know someone hasnt if C is cancled out and there is a physical future it would also have to be an alternate reakity i.e there would be 2 me's a older one and the present me, but then if I go back into a certain point in time there would be a me for that time there would be a me for every point in life. If I were to go back say 5 years before my birth I would be tied into that timeline, alternate reality what ever wou want to call It, technically I would never have existed yet, but Im still there, but there are non records of Jetch(me) ever existing therefor Id be one of those people who they cnt find any records on who they call John Doe or what ever except Id still have my memory assuming nothing happened before or during the time travel.

Now traveling from a certain point in time then everything after that point there would be no Jetch peopled remember me but by me being in a different time I had no effect on things after point A, but then what if I did something in point B to effect point A that would then change the future present(A), lets say I travel back to the day of my birth, I meet a girl get her pregnant what would happen to baby me? Id be born cause its already happened it would have to happen unless I effected it it in itself is a "loop" If i ever wanted I could keep going back to my birth and the same thing would happen unless I changed it. So then I would have a baby in that period at the same time being born, which would mean when that babies born he will have the genes of another unborn baby baby me lol. Back onto topic, you cant undo anything that is supposed to hapen unless you heavenly influence it you might be able to change minor things like bloodlines of people i.e adding one in, but like undoing yourself that could never happen unless you went back and messed with the events why because your supposed to be born, so I could go back to the night before my birth and talk to my mom all the while she wouldnt know its me because Ive never been born yet, but I could say her baby boy is gonna grow up to be a healthy boy, and I could tell her things that are to happen that should be prevented, then when she ask this say Im an angel from God, then teleport back, this would explain cases when people say they see angles that tell them things or protect them and then are gone.

In the end the evidence is probly right infront of you, but who is gonna come out and say I traveled time? No one I mean look at the government itd be like saying you built a bomb that could wipe out a continent theyd want it to combat there enemies. This goes for any advanced ability or any ability at all. No?

Ok. Well i understand what your talking about. Actually i understand what everyone's talking about.
Ummm oh i think that every time someone travels in time that they create another dimension.
I think someones already said that though. I think that ghosts could be people who have traveled in time on the astral plane somehow. Or just dead people....

Sorry I don't fully understand your theory.
So maybe your mum (this is not an offence it is just an example and is not directed to anybody at all) decided to have a child (you) and you already have an older brother that absolutely hates you so one day he goes back in time and kills his mum on the day she was going to be pregnant with you so you would not be born then he goes back to the future and what would've happened?
And also in Einstein's theory on relativity time travel to the past is impossible but also in his theory he said time goes faster when you go at high speeds, there was an experiment that he made where he got to clocks and put one in a plane and the other on the ground and time went faster on the clock on the plane whilst the other was going at normal speed, in the end of the experiment they checked both of the clock's time and both of the clocks had the correct time.
This is just my theory and as there is no record where anyone has traveled through time we can never be sure (until it is succeeded) if any of our theories are true. Sorry I don't fully understand your theory.
So maybe your mum (this is not an offence it is just an example and is not directed to anybody at all) decided to have a child (you) and you already have an older brother that absolutely hates you so one day he goes back in time and kills his mum on the day she was going to be pregnant with you so you would not be born then he goes back to the future and what would've happened?
And also in Einstein's theory on relativity time travel to the past is impossible but also in his theory he said time goes faster when you go at high speeds, there was an experiment that he made where he got to clocks and put one in a plane and the other on the ground and time went faster on the clock on the plane whilst the other was going at normal speed, in the end of the experiment they checked both of the clock's time and both of the clocks had the correct time.
This is just my theory and as there is no record where anyone has traveled through time so we can never be sure (until it is succeeded) if any of our theories are true.

Huh you got a point sinnorf.Anyone ever seen 'The Time Machine'?
Well ther's a thing on there that says if you go back in time and try
to stop something it happens anyway. Like the main character saved his girlfriend only
to have her hit by a carriage. then he saves from two deaths and she dies antway.
And he does it again and again. Get the point? If somethings destined to happen its going to happen.
And plus if someones brother went back and killed his mom then it would have already happened in his lifetime.
How do we know our life hasen't been tampered with? We never will know.

Well if it already happened in his lifetime how was his brother born, how would have you been born? lol .

Exactly! But somewhere out there you were born and i dont really think he can change that. so he never would have done it!Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh its so confusing!

Ok lets start from the basics.
What exactly is time?
Is it just something we use as an excuse for things?



Hmmm lets just practice changing our preception of time first.
I think J has a point. Maybe we can understand it better afterwards.

As Einstein said in his theory of relativity time is relative to perspective
so from where ever you are or you are standing time is different for everyone even going down to a molecular level people heal at different rate they have different body clocks ect.

Also as many people have said scientist and random people: Time Is A Man Made Concept.
we invented it and it has been passed down so its a bit hard not to think of it and not to measure anything with it.

its all hard to understand but you have to think outside the box (Outside the Time Box as it were =p)

hope this contributes =]

-Dawkins

I don't really think that changing our perspective of time is the same to traveling time.
And Marcus here is something even more confusing, what if his brother went back in time and blew the world up and there were no survivors, would you still have been born because of destiny?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm someone would have to stop him...
lol

and he wouldnt be able to do that cause he never would have been able to go back in time with that technology because it wouldnt have existed.

so basically he winks out of existence

Yeah but I am talking hypothetically, if it happened would you have been born and be on your computer right now?

hmmmm i would think. idk
if he was born then it means he never would have blown up the world.
he's born in his time so it means it didnt happen.

I dont think a theory should be based off of a book after all that is just someones imagination on paper its no solidity its just entertainment

But if he wouldn't ever been born how did the world explode .
And we are not basing this theory on the book, were basing it on destiny and the book was an example, but my idea of destiny is not like that, I believe that you control what happens and when it does happen it has been done, you can't go back and it was your destiny that whatever happened, happened.

hmmmmmmm thats very confusing.
i guess someone should try to blow up the planet and see what happens. lol